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| | * Members that are known to hate furries due to the various negative connections to disturbing [[yiff|sexual fetishes]], as well as the [[Furry stereotype|stereotype]] of furries being depicted in mainstream media as socially inept, odd, with poor personal hygiene, and often delusional. Some also post imagery of intense, graphic violence, and abuse, mostly online. | | * Members that are known to hate furries due to the various negative connections to disturbing [[yiff|sexual fetishes]], as well as the [[Furry stereotype|stereotype]] of furries being depicted in mainstream media as socially inept, odd, with poor personal hygiene, and often delusional. Some also post imagery of intense, graphic violence, and abuse, mostly online. |
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| − | Furries are the worst. They are extremely toxic and sexual and the fandom is just a cesspool of degeneracy. They wonder why they are hated so much and blame it all on the "13 year old edgelords" and the "loud minority", but in reality they only have themselves to blame for all the hate, and fail to take responsibility for the degenerate actions they do.
| + | Some online communities have a solid anti-furry slant, such as [[4chan]], [[W:Kiwi Farms|Kiwi Farms]], [[encyclopediadramatica.se]], and [[Something Awful]]. [[Vivisector (website)|Vivisector]] was an example of a site primarily catering to a general dislike of current [[furry fan]]s and fandom, with some of its members being ex-furs. |
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| − | Sexuality: This is a big one. Furries will gladly tell you that being a furry isn't a sexual thing, but in reality it is a fetish that fucks with your sexuality, masquerading as a family-friendly hobby. The furry fandom revolves around sex in a way that other mainstream fandoms do not.
| + | The reasons given for their behavior run the gamut from true harassment to just getting a few people together to laugh at the reaction of most furries to provoking [[drama]]. Members often contend that such sites merely exhibit the true state of the furry community or at least a portion of it. |
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| − | Furries will always try to tell you that it's not all about sex, and that "those perverts don't represent us," in an attempt to make their fandom look presentable to the general public. They try to make it look like a simple interest suitable for all ages. They'll say things along the line of "it's just a liking to anthropomorphic animals". In reality, it is anything but family-friendly. It is an inherent fetish community that is about sexualizing anthropomorphic animals.
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| − | Not many other fandoms, outside of inherent kink communities, have the same mentality. Anime isn't inherently about hentai. Steven Universe isn't inherently about "Greg fucked a rock". And the sex aspect about the furry fandom is way more central to the community than, let's say, hentai is to the anime community. The furry fandom is inherently sexual, despite what everyone will tell you.
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| − | There is porn of everything that has to do with anthropomorphic animals. Literally e v e r y t h i n g. And most of the people that make this kind of porn are furries. Examples range from characters of Disney movies (Zootopia, The Lion King, etc.), to mascots (Zabivaka, Pinkfong), and there's tons of porn of people's characters and tons of artists who draw it. People will pay lots of money for a popular/good artist to draw their character. There isn't much there that isn't porn. The sales halls of furry conventions are full of it, the artwork sites are full of it, furries' hard drives are full of it, you get it. The furry fandom is pretty much centered around porn. It's pretty much impossible to isolate yourself from the porn.
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| − | Other mainstream fandoms don't revolve around porn in the same way. Other fandoms don't go around celebrating sex and porn and then say that it's not about sex. Sure, Rule 34 is absolutely a thing, but it isn't as central to other communities as it is to the furry community. You can't be a furry without someone assuming that you're in it for the porn. You can, however, be a fan of anime and/or video games without people thinking you like hentai/illustrated porn.
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| − | Not only is it porn, but it's actual sex. Furries have lots of sex. Looots of it. Having lots of sex isn't a bad thing in itself, but what is bad is how furries take it and distort it.
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| − | Conventions end up functioning as vectors for sex. There, older people often take advantage of younger people who are lonely, horny, and/or don't have a lot of experience with love or sex. This can lead to things like rape and transmission of STDs. Sometimes the sex in conventions is totally illegal if one or both parties is not the age of consent where the convention is being held. Not only is it sex at a convention, but it's also other things, like non-consensual touching masked as "pounces", "glomping", etc., pairs of people who aren't similar ages, collars on people's necks, large dogs, and people with tattoos of the Greek letter zeta, "ζ" (meaning "zoophile").
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| − | Conventions of other fandoms (like Star Trek, Comic Con, etc.) for the most part are exempt from these things. They don't sell as much porn as a furry con. There isn't even as much porn in the sales halls as there is at a furry con. Not as much sex stuff happens at other cons to the same degree as a furry con. At all. Other conventions don't really have the same type of people drawn to the furry fandom. Lonely, isolated, socially inept, horny, and who use the furry fandom as an escapist fantasy.
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| − | The furry fandom hosts many sexual fetishes and kinks. Some of them are legal, others, not so much.
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| − | Everyone in the fandom has at least one sexual fetish or kink. Some furries are pretty vanilla. Others... Well, they have lists of kinks as long as your grocery list.
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| − | This wouldn't be a problem if the furry community didn't revolve around kinks as much as it does. It's pretty much what everyone in the fandom talks about with each other. This is not a healthy way to have a conversation. People in other fandoms (outside of kink communities), or not in any fandom at all, don't just casually talk about their kinks and sexual interests like it's your average small talk.
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| − | Everyone in the fandom will want to do sexual roleplay with you. They will actively try to do anything to get you to do it with them, from guilting to even threatening and/or blackmailing you into it. This is because the fandom is filled with horny people where sex is always on their minds. You don't get anime or Star Wars fans actively trying to force you to roleplay with them. At all. This is exclusively a furry thing, and it needs to stop.
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| − | This is what drove Tony the Tiger off of Twitter. Everyone expressing their thirst for him and tweeting stuff like "UwU frost my flakes daddy Tony x3~". Mass blocking occurred, and Kellogg's couldn't take it anymore, so Tony went offline. I swear furries have no one but themselves to blame for all the hate.
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| − | You don't see the Star Wars fans publicly expressing their thirst for Rey. You don't see anime fans casually flaunting around their love for Mai or Yoshino. Only furries do this, only furries it is.
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| − | Then there are the illegal kinks, and the furry fandom has a problem with them. Examples include pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, and maybe even actual bestiality.
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| − | Every other week, a furry is exposed for being a pedophile and/or doing something with underage kids. Every other week, a furry is exposed for liking their pets a little too much. Every other week, one of these zoophiles gets outed for actually having sex with an animal.
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| − | Pedophiles are everywhere in the furry community. Just look up "furry pedophile" on Google and you'll find a ton of news stories of ""Furry" men busted for having sex with minor". Not only is it that, but a lot of people draw cub porn, which is the furry equivalent of child porn. There's even a debate I'm the community on whether it's okay or not. There shouldn't be a debate, it's art that depicts children and it's fucked. Many furries have been exposed as pedophiles, with more to come.
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| − | Have you heard of Kero the Wolf? I'm pretty sure you have. Yeeeah, having sex with your dog until it dies, and then having sex with other dead animals and sharing it with your other friends who also like to fuck dead animals, really isn't the best thing to do. Really makes your fandom look bad.
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| − | And I think you've heard of the Discord cub porn scandal already.
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| − | There are actually furries who get turned on by actual animals. There are actually furries who want to have sex with animals. There are actually furries who group together and celebrate and/or practice this degenerate behaviour. There are actually Discord and Telegram groups dedicated to that shit. Let that sink in.
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| − | All other communities deal with their problems effectively, furries don't. All they do is make a ton of drama and call-outs whenever this stuff gets exposed, they don't actively try to do something to fix these problems and get these people help or out of the fandom. And even after all that happens, there will still be a sizable chunk of people that still support the person that got exposed. After a few months, things will be back to normal like it never even happened.
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| − | All in all, furries will gladly sweep stuff like this under the rug and say it's not this way. They will try to tell you that "it isn't about sex with animals", just to make their fandom look good. They don't realize that it would be better for both the fandom and the reputation of it to actually deal with their problems.
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| − | Murrsuiters, zoophiles, and pedophiles are definitely at conventions too. The fandom definitely has a problem with these things. They are problematic in a way that hentai is not to the anime fan.
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| − | Being a furry also fucks with your sexuality. It will mostly be a secret. Explaining it be a lot of work and not worth even bringing up. And when you outgrow it, it'll hang around and make you feel bad and shameful that you were ever a part of it. They may also never be rid of their acquired fetishes in the future.
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| − | People will always make assumptions about a furry's sexuality in ways that being associated with other fandoms do not. Stating that one likes anime does not mean that people think they have a thing for hentai or catgirls. However, it is common for furries to be associated with people who like their pets a little too much. The world will always assume the worst, and there's nothing that can be done about it.
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| − | No other mainstream fandom has these kinds of problems. No other fandom creates and sells as much porn as the furry fandom does. No other fandom has a massive sexual part that its members try to downplay and say that it isn't about that. No other fandom has conventions where wild sex shit happens and where STDs are spread. No other fandom is full of pedophiles that get busted by the police. No other fandom has as large of a subset of people, who actually want to fuck dogs to death with the wide end of a baseball bat, than the furry fandom does. No other fandom sweeps their problems under the rug in an attempt to make everything seem okay. And no other fandom is assumed to be as sexual and problematic as the furry fandom is.
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| − | No. Other. Mainstream. Fandom. Has. These. Problems.
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| − | The furry fandom is one of the most toxic fandoms out there. It is worse than even the likes of Sonic, Undertale, and K-Pop, which are all considered to be pretty toxic fandoms.
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| − | The fandom is full of people that are not like your average person in normal society. They tend to be white, male, and around 20-ish years old. And a lot of them can be any one or more of the following: Special snowflakes, neckbearded, troubled teens, depressed, socially awkward, hateful, and/or an SJW. Very different demographics from the rest of society.
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| − | The SJWs are the worst. The fandom is full of them. They will attack anyone for any reason, as minor as it can be. Even the smallest fuck-up can make someone a target of these SJWs. They will jump on and attack people in droves, sometimes even driving said target to commit suicide just to get away from it all. They will try to actively push out anyone they don't even remotely like. And they know all. You've done something they don't agree with? Even if it was many many years ago? Congrats! Now you're the ass and target of the entire fandom, and everyone is going to shit on you for that "heinous" thing you've done. This is how drama starts.
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| − | Whenever drama happens, everyone jumps on the bandwagon and starts blowing everything out of proportion and dogpiling on what's happening. It becomes the talk of the town. Everyone discusses it, everyone attacks the main subject for it, and everyone wants justice to be served. Data about the person will be leaked, rumors and gossip will be spread around, and someone out there will always take it too far. Sometimes, someone will even impersonate the person in question to try to make them look bad, just to rub salt in the wound. This kind of behaviour has led to people straight-up leaving the fandom, or even committing suicide, because it is just too much. People in the fandom are like piranhas on this stuff, they will not let go. They do not forgive and they do not forget. Eventually the drama does die down, but not without leaving its mark on the fandom. Sometimes the drama is even rekindled a while after it is thought to be over.
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| − | And if you so happen to be the subject on any form of social media after the drama has started, people will assume you are somehow still "supporting" this person, and will block you and cut off all contact with you, never to give you a second chance. Essentially, following someone automatically equals "supporting" them, even if you haven't interacted or paid money to them. This is a really stupid way to end/prevent relationships.
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| − | Fursuit elitism: If you own a fursuit, you are automatically popular in the fandom and absolved of all sin. Everyone likes you. You can do no wrong. Everything you do is totally justified. And those without fursuits are lower than you and subject to the same basic social, moral, and behavioural guidelines that everyone else is but you are somehow not.
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| − | You see how problematic this is?
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| − | Popufurs and their fanpeople: Again, if you are a popular furry, you can do no wrong. The fanpeople are even worse. They will blindly follow that popular furry and attack and shit on anyone who opposes them. They'll continue to support that furry even if they get exposed for doing something bad.
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| − | Egocentrism: Many furries often think about no one but themselves, nothing but their own pleasure. They don't think about how their actions have consequences and how they impact other people. They can be very self centered. This is not the way to live life. It should be common practice to improve others' well being at the expense of some of yours, if they need it.
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| − | The furry fandom is one of the more toxic fandoms out there, to say the least. Its forms of toxicity are very unique, not found in many other fandoms. It just goes to show that furries can only look towards themselves if they're wondering why they're hated so much.
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| − | There is an utter lack of self-awareness and common sense in the furry fandom. A form of behaviour not seen in many other fandoms. Furries always make fools of themselves, do things that people in other fandoms don't, and make themselves the laughingstock of the internet.
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| − | One of these things is RainFurrest. A convention that was held in Seattle until 2015, that was the year everything went to shit. Literally. There was lots of damage to the hotel after RainFurrest was hosted for the year, more than every other event held there combined. This went on for the last 5 years of RainFurrest's existence. There was flooding in the bathrooms because someone loosened a bolt on the toilets. The hot tub was closed for most of the con because of vandalism. People got busted for doing drugs. There were babyfurs (a furry who likes to essentially be a baby as a persona) and diapers everywhere, and yes, some of them were full. The convention got kicked out of the hotel and couldn't rehome. It shut down.
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| − | I can think of literally no other fandom that does this kind of stuff. No other fandom has damaged a hotel enough to where it got banned from not only that hotel, but every other one in the state. All the other Star Trek and Anime conventions are completely exempt from this shit.
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| − | Not only was it RainFurrest, but there are also other cons. A convention in Oklahoma, Oklacon, was shut down because a few people had decided to register for the con and then do illegal sexual activity at the venue (it was an outdoor con), and put it under Oklacon's name. As a result, they got banned from their venue too and shut down.
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| − | More recently, some furries that attended Anthrocon 2017 actually projected furry porn onto a city building for all to see.
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| − | And at BLFC 2018, some guy pissed on the floor around the elevators. You know, I would have just put up fire hydrants all around the con for them to piss at.
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| − | At these conventions, there are room parties, where people gather and lots of alcohol is consumed and lots of sex is had. This isn't very ideal for the convention, as drunk people can haphazardly damage the hotel and/or hurt other people in their drunken stupor. Not only that, but STDs like HIV, gonorrhea, and chlamydia get passed around at these conventions, further proving that furry conventions also serve as gathering places for horny people to have sex. One more thing, people at these conventions seem to be unable to practice basic hygiene, insisting on being a "musky husky". Gross. Again, there are other hobbies and interests that hold big ass conventions that don't have these things.
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| − | And I've already told you about the whole Tony the Tiger thing.
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| − | On Twitter, and all around the rest of the internet, in fact, you will see furries making fools of themselves. Fursuits with breasts and big bellies because the suiter has a vore fetish, furries making disgusting art of degenerate kinks (like scat/diapers), making cancerous memes, sexualizing everything, being socially awkward, etc. Too much to list. You'll see this kind of behaviour not only online, but in real life too.
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| − | All in all, the furry fandom is home to some very awkward stuff that makes you wonder if anyone in it has any self-awareness at all.
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| − | Overall, there are plenty of reasons to hate furries, ranging from how sexual they are, to the degenerate actions they do. They only have themselves to look towards for answers on why they are hated so much. They do things that not many other fandoms would even think to do in a million years. The fandom is full of degeneracy and toxicity, and void of self-awareness.
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| − | If you think this is the work of a "loud minority", then how come the "silent majority" isn't doing anything about it? And why do these cases of a "loud minority" happen more frequently and in higher counts than any other fandom? It seems like this "loud minority" is not a minority at all. If it were, it'd be a pretty big one. And again, blaming it on a "loud minority" is just an excuse to dismiss the problems at hand. You can't dismiss them forever. Fix them.
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| − | If you think "all other fandoms are like this," no. I've repeatedly said that there are degenerate things done in the furry fandom that are not done anywhere else. The "bad side" of the furry fandom is bigger than any other fandom, should the other fandoms also have a "bad side".
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The reasons given for their behavior run the gamut from true harassment to just getting a few people together to laugh at the reaction of most furries to provoking drama. Members often contend that such sites merely exhibit the true state of the furry community or at least a portion of it.
